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A Nader in the Woodpile [Feb. 23rd, 2004|02:00 am]
Just me.
I see that like Jason or Michael Myers, Ralph Nader won't stay dead.

I remember that right after the September 11 attacks, one of my coworkers, aghast at how Bush was responding to the situation, kept muttering "No, Ralph, they're NOT both the same" (refering to Nader's oft stated criticism that there's no appreciable difference between Democrats and Republicans). Now, I can't say whether Gore would have handled things any better, but I know he wouldn't have appointed Ass-croft, and that counts for a lot right there to me.

Nader's contention that both parties are controlled by corporate interests and therefore are unsatisfactory is true but missing the big picture. It's like being told "You can choose one of the following methods for your death; either an overdose of drugs that will put you to sleep and you'll never wake up, or you can be brutually stabbed to death by OJ" and then replying "well, either way, I end up dead, so it doesn't matter which method I choose".

Just go home, Ralph. How about using some of your notoriety to campaign for Greens in city or state elections where they actually have a chance of winning an office and building a viable third party?
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[User Picture]From: moodtobestewed
2004-02-23 02:18 am (UTC)
Amen!

Ralph and company came through town last election cycle and spoke at the local young people's music venue. One of the local Green party candidates I know told me before how excited he was, thinking it'd basically be a rally where Nader would lend his support. Instead, the locals were quickly shepherded off stage so Nader could hold forth. They all came away from it with the belief Nader's candidacies have more to do with his ego than with anything else.
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[User Picture]From: lara7
2004-02-23 08:28 am (UTC)

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"local young people's music venue"

I don't know why, but this sounds like the name of some Soviet-era niteclub in Poland or Hungary. hee hee.
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[User Picture]From: repoman
2004-02-23 06:04 am (UTC)
The man has too large an ego. You would think people who backed you before are telling you to not run would make him reconsider, but oh no...this is Ralph!

Four years ago it did seem like Gush and Bore, with little difference. I gave Ralph my vote and I'm still proud of it (only because Illinois went for Gore) but this time around I won't. I love his message but I feel he would be more suited for a mayor or govorner position (even senator), but that would be too small an elected position.
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[User Picture]From: shoutingboy
2004-02-23 09:26 am (UTC)

I really wish Ralph mattered...

Speaking as a kill-em-all reactionary, I really wish I could say that Nader's handing the election to Bush. But I don't think he'll make much difference.

A lot of conservative pundits have made the same point lately: The fact that Democrats threw Dean over the side shows that they're really, really focused on beating Bush. They'll take a centrist Democrat who wins over an ideological soulmate who loses, and they won't think twice.

Nader may take a few votes from Kerry, but he might give as many back--if Nader campaigns mainly against George Bush, he might energize some leftists to come to the polls, where they'll hold their noses and vote for the Democrat.

I'm still betting on Bush. (As someone once said, if you've gotta run against someone, you could do worse than running against Massachusetts's more liberal senator.) I'll even stick with my bet on Bush by 100 electoral votes. But I don't think Nader will be much of a factor.
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[User Picture]From: erikred
2004-02-23 09:32 am (UTC)

Re: I really wish Ralph mattered...

But I don't think Nader will be much of a factor.

And I most certainly hope you're right. I still reserve the right to call him an asshat.

It's funny: I've been telling Greens everywhere, any time I've seen them, for the past two years, "You tell your boy Ralph, if he wants to run, he'd better declare at least a year in advance if he really wants to make a difference." He didn't, and I hope he doesn't.
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[User Picture]From: dougo
2004-02-23 03:17 pm (UTC)

Re: I really wish Ralph mattered...

For what it's worth, he's running as an Independent, not a Green. So don't blame us, he's not "our boy".

Of course I have no idea whom the Green party is running. If anyone. Maybe I should go register as something else...
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[User Picture]From: erikred
2004-02-23 05:43 pm (UTC)

Re: I really wish Ralph mattered...

So noted. Bear in mind that your boy/dawg/homey Matt Gonzalez almost won the mayorship of San Francisco. That's an amazing achievement and something Ralph should take notes from.
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